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Name: Gabriele Reinch Email: ggr@talktalk.net
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Country: UK  Date: 9 Jun 2011 08:05:01 GMT

Comment: I spent a day on the beach in Carlyon Bay last week – at the quiet end, I believe it must have been Polgaver Beach. We walked past the planned development and saw and heard diggers in action and had to walk right to the other end of the bay to enjoy a beautiful day on the beach. Curious about the diggers, I checked out information about Carlyon Bay on my return home and came across your site. I am astounded and dismayed that such a lovely beach should be built on at all! As I am not a resident, I cannot influence decisions, but I hope enough people voice their opinions to convince those responsible that they should leave well alone. It is incomprehensible to me how one can build on there. I wish your campaign well and hope you succeed in preventing the development.









Name: Michael Duncan Email: 
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Country: UK  Date: 30 Jun 2011 10:21:15 GMT

Comment: Fantastic News!



Name: Robert Email: 
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Country:   Date: 5 Jul 2011 11:16:38 GMT

Comment: Great news that this development has been given the go ahead by Cornwall Council. Hopefully, the secretary of state will rubber stamp it. The injection of £250 million in to the local economy will be a boost to everyone in the area bring jobs and prosperity.



Name: Lorraine Edwards Email: paganluvswicca@googlemail.com
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Country: KERNOW  Date: 5 Jul 2011 20:58:44 GMT

Comment: Yes it needs improving but not in the way of making money at the expense of wildlife both plant and animal. This coast is not meant to have concrete buildings. It will totally spoil the whole place. My childhood and my childrens were spent here every summer and lovely walks in winter. How dare they desocrate a beautiful potential. It will all come to a bad end and waste sooooo much money. Keep money hungry developers off it and use it more sensibly. The Cornish people deserve a better deal with this. I am not just talking about the people who choose to live in the crinnis area it also belongs to the people of St Austell. The petition should go door to door all over St Austell and Par. It will be inundated with signatures but we need to see it.Not keep it the residents of Carlyon Bay.The roads are also an issue here.



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btconnect.com
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Country: UK  Date: 6 Jul 2011 07:34:05 GMT

Comment: Hi Robert, it is indeed great news for those who seek to destroy the nature of this part of Cornwall by transforming it into “Costa Del Carlyon”, and, if they' succeed, great news also for those hordes of developers waiting in the wings for the precedent to be set. Those who seek temporary, seasonal and part-time employment during anti-social hours for National minimum wage will also warmly welcome the news but, for the rest of us, the reasonable compromise that we have long and ardently sought, a development restricted to the brownfield site of Crinnis Beach, would have been even greater news. Regards, Peter.



Name: Dave Email: 
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Country: UK  Date: 30 Jul 2011 08:00:14 GMT

Comment: Ive just heard the news of this planning monstrosity. I have used Polgavor for over thirty years and it has been a naturist beach for generations.Can you tell me what next cbw will do. I am keen to support you. Lets hope these plans will come to nothing. All that is required is a beach shop , cafe, bar with function room picnic areas decent car parks. Couple this with Polgavor as an OFFICIAL NATURIST BEACH the perfect ingredients for a great day out in a NATURAL setting. Dave, Bodmin



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btconnect.com
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Country: UK  Date: 30 Jul 2011 08:30:49 GMT

Comment: Thanks Dave. There is not much that CBW can now do, the horse has bolted. We are frustrated after thousands of hours of voluntary work given to the campaign. "Localism" laws being introduced in Parliament proved to be a mirage. We got three public inquiries, lost one, won one, and the developer quit the third. We pushed for Enforcement, to remove the steel wall, but the developer's got the last laugh, the new Permission allows him to rebuild it. Thanks again, if anything changes, we'll be in touch. Regards, Peter,CBW.



Name: Eileen Email: 
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Country: SURREY, UK  Date: 3 Aug 2011 10:54:35 GMT

Comment: I was looking on Google Earth, planning nice trips/routes for this year's visit to Cornwall & wondered what that helluva mess was on such a lovely beach. Found the details & I was gobsmacked to say the least. I think the previous eyesore needed to be removed but why not reinstate it to a natural beach with maybe some small & appropriate visitor facilities? That would encourage visitors & also generate income for the area, wouldn't it? And would still leave the natural beauty intact for locals & visitors to enjoy. Mr Pickles needs his head examined. But then I think a lot of us knew that already...



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country: UK  Date: 3 Aug 2011 13:24:43 GMT

Comment: Thankyou, Eileen, for your note. Regrettably, the horse has now left the stable, so that we can now only monitor its progress over the next months and years. Perhaps many would share your view of Pickles Esq., but we see so much awful weakness in high places these days that it’s hard to know where to put your vote. Kind regards, Peter for Carlyonbaywatch.



Name: Nigel Email:
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Country: UK  Date: 10 Aug 2011 11:05:26 GMT

Comment: 'Trees and Shrubs for Cornwall' by J.Hunkin,starts: Cornwall is a county made beautiful by Nature, uglified by man. The chief asset is a magnificent coastline disfigured by inferior, untidy building. Thanks CBW for your battle to protect the beaches for future generations to enjoy its benefits. So many non Cornishmen on the Council stacked the odds against you. Only financial gain matters. Hall Sands disappeared, as will this, a disaster waiting to happen. Thanks for the pressure to retain rights of access.Best wishes Nigel and Charlie



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country: UK  Date: 10 Aug 2011 11:11:50 GMT

Comment: Thankyou Nigel and Charlie, there has been so much that is wrong, not only with the proposal but also the process, that it’s hard to believe we in Cornwall are not living in a banana republic, but that’s probably being unfair to bananas. CBW will doubtless seek to do what it still can to make the best of a very bad job. Thanks again, Peter at CBW.



Name: Simon Abbotson Email: 
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Country:   Date: 18 Aug 2011 19:40:53 GMT

Comment: Just visited Carlyon Bay. Not been before but my wife had. She was stunned to see it in the current state. Just googled to see what's been going on. Can't believe what they want to do. Such a shame to lose what looks to have been an idyllic area. Simon & Tracy Abbotson Essex




Name: nina Email: nina2204@hotmail.co.uk
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Country:   Date: 26 Aug 2011 18:41:33 GMT

Comment: For me growing up and attending Penrice school, Carlyon bay became 'The place' to be. Bentlies,Gossips,functions at the Ocean sweet, the swimming pool, riding on the train.Pop stars to see,the Radio One road show, the rolar disco, eating at the Wimpey and I learnt to drive in the car park.Carlyon bay was an exciting place,I loved Carlyon bay. They have ruined it!!!Why!!!? Look at Fistral beach, surf shacks, trendy restaurants, that's what we need back.Par docks also needs to be a Marina



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btconnect.com
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Country: UK  Date: 26 Aug 2011 19:27:25 GMT

Comment: Sadly, Nina, memories are about all we've got left from the old days, our lords and masters in Truro continue to run rough-shod over the people of Cornwall and those most impacted by huge developments like the beach and, of course, the incinerator at St.Dennis. It's too late to look back, so I feel that what you must now do is to be vigilant, and work for that future Cornwall that you wish to see. Regards, Peter.



Name: martin Email: 
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Country: UK  Date: 28 Aug 2011 17:43:53 GMT

Comment: Very worried that this is the thin end of a wedge that will allow developers to despoil private beaches more-or-less at will. Our seashore should no longer be held to ransom & sold off to property speculators...........



Name: James Galloway Email: james.annemarie@mac.com
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Country: UK  Date: 28 Aug 2011 19:26:44 GMT

Comment: It is about time something was done with Carlyon Bay. This looks like a great idea that will energise the area.



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btconnect.com
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Country: UK  Date: 29 Aug 2011 08:13:10 GMT

Comment: Well, James, we can agree that it is about time something was done but, far from 'energising' the area, the likely outcome of this plan will be strangulation. A whole new seaside town served by a single narrow road... it won't only be the cream that's clotted. Regards, Peter



Name: Rosemary Bennett Email: rose.bennett@btinternet.com
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Country: UK  Date: 8 Sep 2011 23:32:04 GMT

Comment: The Coleseum has become an eyesore due to neglect, and certainly that immediate area needs to be improved. However, why does Shorthorn and Polgaver need to be 'developed'? I cannot understand why it seems to be an 'all or nothing' development. Could it be that there are finacial incentives involved? 511 dwellings is an obscene number. A new beach/visitor facility was all that was needed to give the Bay a new lease of life. This grossly overdevelopment will sign its death warrant.



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btconnect.com
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Country: UK  Date: 9 Sep 2011 07:34:18 GMT

Comment: Thank you Rosemary, I am certain that you reflect the views of the majority of people locally - this whole thing is just too big, but sadly, it's now too late for protestations. More worrying, the new Localism Bill suggests that we have even bigger problems ahead of us, with the developer already now holding a blank cheque called an "Outline Consent". We shall continue to watch and wait... Thanks and regards, Peter.



Name: Graham Brooks Email: graham@barclayhoouse.co.uk
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Country:   Date: 3 Oct 2011 14:28:44 GMT

Comment: Visited this once beautiful bay to enjoy late Summer sunshine. Devastated by the destruction caused by "developers" - by oppressive security guards and by Cornwall's decision to build on this special place. Shame on all of them that so much is lost for so many good and decent people for the financial gain of so few. During my walk on what should have been a magical day of Indian Summer, the fencing, notices and worst of all the patrolling security guards summed up what this place has become



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btconnect.com
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Country:   Date: 3 Oct 2011 15:32:12 GMT

Comment: Hullo Graham, Thankyou for your message. As you’ll have seen from recent correspondence, we are as sorry as you about the state of the place.We understand that constructing the revised Sea Wall, the design for which detailed consent has been granted, will commence early next year. We are apprehensive as to what's next, because outline approval has also been given for 511 apartments plus shops and offices etc. With the new planning laws, we could see some unexpected changes.Meanwhile, we do our best to keep a public awareness alive, and to ensure access is improved. Regards, Peter, CBW.



Name: Terence Email: 
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Country:   Date: 3 Nov 2011 14:52:23 GMT

Comment: History shows us that politely asking large corporations - who are motivated only by profits - to do the right thing is often fruitless. I believe that we need to engage in a campaign of Direct Action to halt the plans of these corporate developers. Our childrens children won't be asking us in future, how many letters we wrote asking the council to stop Ampersands... they'll be asking us, what did you DO to stop them!?



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btconnect.com
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Country: CORNWALL  Date: 3 Nov 2011 15:24:35 GMT

Comment: Thankyou Terence, you are correct in calling for positive action – anyone who knows anything about Carlyonbaywatch cannot fail to be aware that it has for nine years taken direct action with three public enquiries and still continues to challenge the authorities, local and national. We have succeeded in some of the battles, but not the war. What we need is some of the younger generation to support us elderly people in this work which requires dedication and, if you know anyone in Cornwall who is ready to put their shoulder to our wheel, please let us know. Regards, Peter.



Name: stephen moyse Email: befree@ntlworld.com
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Country: UK  Date: 2 Feb 2012 09:02:41 GMT

Comment: we really need to get this eyesore resolved very quickly we have a company willing to invest in our area which is much needed, we have an eyesore which just brings the whole area down, it is time for the development to go ahead as planned it will bring much needed employment into the area and of course everything else that comes with that there were very little objections to the horrible mess that is falling down before our eyes i just feel it has become more than politcal this development will only enhance the area and bring much needed growth to our area



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country: UK  Date: 2 Feb 2012 09:34:23 GMT

Comment: Right-oh, Stephen, let’s get the eyesore resolved, but not at ‘any price’. At this moment, there are planning, infrastructural and legal issues presently unresolved, which must take more time. It is fair to state that had this developer listened to reason way back in 2004, the job could have been completed and operational by now. However, their quest for 511 Apartments and 30,000 square feet of commercial space has now been achieved but, as of 2 February 2012 we still don’t know anything about the final design or “enhancement of the area” about which you write. Regards, Peter



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Name: Geoff King Email: geflechef@yahoo.co.uk
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Country:   Date: 10 Feb 2012 09:10:21 GMT

Comment: I came across your website whilst reminiscing my youth. I came from the depressed north around 1972 and worked for the Lovett family for 6 months at Carlyon Lido. It had it's rough edges but the atmosphere, the local people, and the unspoilt beauty of the place remain memory of a happy time. Mr Lovett was a hard taskmaster, who lived in a caravan, complete with Hammond organ on which he excelled. My respect for him made the work an experience I'll treasure. The photos of it's present state,(I now live in Cumbria), appal me and I urge you to keep campaigning to protect this jewel. To see a concrete "development", funded by non local investors would be a tragedy and deny my kids from it's attraction. I'm 60 now, but I'm determined to make the journey back and if I can lend any support at all, please let me know. Regards Geoff



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country:   Date: 10 Feb 2012 09:25:43 GMT

Comment: Thankyou for your support Geoff but, sadly, the Genie is now out of the bottle despite our 8 long years of struggle to contain it. As stated above, we are presently in a sort of limbo, awaiting news of the developer's proposals regarding the Outline Consent which they were granted. That's likely to take several months but may I suggest you keep in touch with our site ? We shall try to post the information here as soon as it is published. Thanks again and kind regards, Peter, for CBW.



Name: sarah Email: 
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Country:   Date: 14 Mar 2012 19:25:43 GMT

Comment: I am not a native of Cornwall as in born and bred, but have lived in Cornwall for 4 years, and i live in St Austell now, for the last year. last summer, my hubby, (who incidently grew up around here) and knowing i am an 'outsider' wanted to show me Carlyon Bay and wanted my view on it. What a travesty :( i am from up north and the north east coast, and quite frankly what they have done to the beach, has made it more rundown looking and an eye-sore, more so than northern beaches in disrepair. :(



Name: sarah Email: 
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Country:   Date: 14 Mar 2012 19:34:44 GMT

Comment: after reading and seeing everything that has been going on, there is something dodgy going on definately :S it doesnt take an einstein to work that much out. and by the snails pace of the project, it is immaterial of how much money etc CAN be brought in to the area, where is it now, and where has it been all this time?time is ticking, and the holiday season keeps coming and going year in year out.first impressions are lasting. and this it seems has been forgotten.it is too sad for words.



Name: nile damien Email: niledamien@gmail.com
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Country:   Date: 4 Sep 2012 15:19:25 GMT

Comment: I am shocked at how they can classify a lovely beachfront as brownfield because of the existing buildings. Equally shocking is how they propose to give the council the equivalent of £1000 per luxury second home for affordable housing elsewhere! shockingly corrupt!



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country:   Date: 5 Sep 2012 07:52:16 GMT

Comment: Hi Damien, Thankyou, you underline a serious question which is "Should Planning Permissions involve cash payments to Councils"? Where a developer can afford to offer huge sums to support an Application for Consent, how can that be conducive to making fair and balanced planning decisions on large-scale proposals which impact severely upon a local community ? In the present instance, the only way that Carlyonbaywatch might compete would be to proffer a couple of million quid to Cornwall Council. i.e. No chance ! Thanks again for your thoughts, regards, Peter



Name: Lee Email: lee.pollard@integra-ict.co.uk
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Country: UK  Date: 14 Oct 2012 12:26:15 GMT

Comment: Good Afternoon, I must say I am gutted at what has happened to a once great beach. I'm not a resident but I use to go to the bay in 1994/95's and I remember the beach was awesome and always busy. There is far to much of this corporate developments going on these days and destroying such a beautiful coast lines such as Carlyon bay. All we have left is our memories now I suppose.



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country:   Date: 16 Oct 2012 08:30:47 GMT

Comment: Thanks for your thoughts, Lee, which we all heartily share. There is still some local skirmishing to be done to safeguard the public and to preserve rights of way to the shoreline. The CBW team are doing all that can now be done to ensure that the least-worst outcome is achieved. We have yet to see the light at the end of the tunnel, but we will not give up. Thanks and best wishes, Peter for CBW.



Name: jason Email: 
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Country:   Date: 6 Feb 2013 20:41:22 GMT

Comment: I am local, I have lived in St. Austell all my life and I used to enjoy the beach and Gossips when it was open. I would like to see the area developed, even if it's not the proposed apartments. What I don't understand is that Carlyon Bay Watch don't seem to want anything there at all. That would never happen. If I may ask a question to CBW, what exactly would you prefer to be there? The site as it is now? Or nothing at all, in which case the beach would wash away over time as it's no longer replenished by the waste from the clay mining. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT GO AHEAD!



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country:   Date: 8 Feb 2013 11:41:26 GMT

Comment: Hullo Jason, Thanks for your note – but what we don’t understand is how you could draw such conclusions, given that we have stated publicly, time and again, in the media, at meetings and on our website, CBW’s consistent original policy that we want to see [as quickly as possible] an environmentally sustainable and proportionate development on the brownfield site. That said, we agree with you, we would love to see the development go ahead, and we also agree with you that the mobility of the beach material is an ongoing problem which we have declared at earlier public inquiries, a problem which will be made worse by climate change and a rising sea-level. All of this is fully documented on our website. Thanks again and regards, Peter, for CBW.



Name: Deborah Email: 
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Country: UK  Date: 19 Feb 2013 19:45:45 GMT

Comment: Hi Peter Is there any way we can be notified automatically when the news is updated? I'm an outsider so don't see how I can help but would hate to miss an opportunity to do so if one came up.



Name: Deborah Email: 
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Country: UK  Date: 20 Feb 2013 11:41:34 GMT

Comment:  Hi Peter Is there any way we can be notified automatically when the news is updated? I'm an outsider so don't see how I can help but would hate to miss an opportunity to do so if one came up.



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country:   Date: 20 Feb 2013 11:47:40 GMT

Comment: Hi Deborah, Thanks for your enquiry, to keep up to date with events will require your regular visits to our site. As a volunteer-body, we have not got the resources to send out alerts, but we will do our best to kep you informed. If you care to let us have your preferred e-contact we'll do our best. Thanks and regards, Peter, for CBW



Name: Stephen Lees Email: stephen@wildlife-woodlands.com
Welcome Page:  http://www.wildlife-woodlands.co.uk  
Country: CORNWALL, UK  Date: 5 Mar 2013 09:45:07 GMT

Comment: I recently visited Polgaver for the first time in fifteen years, to see how our sand dune translocation work had gone. For it was Wildlife Woodlands, not the Forestry Commission and Cornwall Wildlife Trust that did the work! I was pleased with the results: you can see some of them at http://www.wildlife-woodlands.co.uk/case-studies/case-study-sand-dune-translocation/ Developers will always push the envelope as far as they can, hopefully there will be enough debate to achieve a better balance.



Name: J Griffin Email: johngriffin360@btinternet.com
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Country: SOMERSET  Date: 15 Apr 2013 11:15:56 GMT

Comment: What on earth is it? How long has it been an eyesore. Can nothing be done under, area of outstanding natural beauty,public hazard, compulsory purchase. More here than meets the eye?



Name: Pete Email: pwills.pete@googlemail.com
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Country: UK  Date: 1 Jul 2013 13:55:25 GMT

Comment: I can't believe what I'm reading regarding the treatment of the beach. I am not a local but my family originate from St Austell. I go camping at Carlyon Bay every year & every year myself & my wife go to the beach to see if any progress has been made. It just makes us sad to think that nothing is being done & it is being left in it's current state. We wish there was some end in sight. I applaud you for your efforts in trying to get something done & in the meantime we will continue to visit.



Name: Ashley Pascoe Email: 
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Country:   Date: 25 Aug 2013 10:26:50 GMT

Comment: Just wondering how long Spit beach has been owned by Carlyon Bay hotel who are marketing it as their 'private beach Carlyon Cove'. Have used this beach for years just as I have Crinnis. Wondering what public access rights there are to this beach and if one day we face a situation where this beach will too face becoming out of bounds to locals.



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country: UK  Date: 25 Aug 2013 18:48:44 GMT

Comment: Thankyou, Ashley, for your question - we will try to discover the extent of ownership of Carlyon Cove and whether or not any public rights have been affected. Thanks again for your enquiry. Peter, for CBW.



Name: Reece Arratoonian-Walker Email: reecearratoonian@yahoo.co.uk
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Country: WEST YORKSHIRE, GB  Date: 27 Aug 2013 21:56:36 GMT

Comment: When driving to this beach I could see the sea as we approached the car park. I thought all would be well until I saw the partly demolished Cornwall Leisure Complex which looked terrible. The beach on the other hand is a beautiful place but whenever I look back I see the construction site. I went home then later found this site and became sad as I saw what it used to be and what it is now. I really do wish that it will be developed but this company is up to something, slowing down the process....



Name: Mr.Mrs.B.J.Lovett Email: lovettbj@gmail.com
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Country: UK  Date: 31 Aug 2013 08:41:07 GMT

Comment: We can't understand why the Cornwall Council has allowed the situation at the Beach to become as it is now. Desecration!! Surely, it has a responsibility to keep an eye on any development occurring within its patch (the entire County) including this beach. The Council should not 'kowtow' to the likes of developers CEG, who quite obviously, 'bit off more than they could chew', with their ridiculous over development plans for a tidal beach. Why can't the Council seek assistance from say an environment or town and country planning agency in an endeavour to take repossession of the beach? Mr. B.J. and Mrs. A.C.W. Lovett.



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country:   Date: 31 Aug 2013 08:43:34 GMT

Comment: Thankyou, Mr.& Mrs. Lovett, We know that a number of County Councillors and Parish Councillors check our website, and that a number of them will share your sentiments. Thanks again, and regards, Peter, for Carlyonbaywatch.



Name: david Email: 
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Country:   Date: 22 Sep 2013 20:19:58 GMT

Comment: This is the biggest joke ever, all the people on Carlyon Bay Watch have done more to damage the beach and tourism by stopping all of this development. LETS BE HONEST MOST OF YOU BEFORE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC JAM WHEN THERE WAS AN EVENT DOWN THERE. Before that you probably complained about the houses that got built over the old dumps ( next to the shops) Half of you have sold gardens to other people for money and the other half never supported the Coliseum anyway . POT KETTLE and BLACK



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country:   Date: 23 Sep 2013 14:26:15 GMT

Comment: David, Good to hear the mis-information machine still works. Pot, kettle, black ? The POT's truth ? CBW has always supported an environmentally sensitive development. CBW didn't stop the development, the developer put it on hold. Many of us used the Coliseum, such as my 25th.wedding anniversary. KETTLE ? We’ve spent three years trying to get something moving for clearance and public access. BLACK, that’s surely the outlook if developers without Planning Consent are permitted to deliberately create such an appalling mess, leave it for over ten years to blight the Cornish coastline. There are 600 homes in Carlyon Bay, so if you’re right, that’s 300 gardens. Come on ! CBW had nothing, zero, zilch, to do with Kent Avenue. Some of our members had never even heard of it. If you want to know the truth, just ask! Regards, Peter, for CBW.

                     
                 

Name: Michael Duncan Email: 
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Country: UK  Date:: 28 Oct 2013 23:53:42 GMT

Comment:  I think you'll find that they WERE given planning permission to keep the western end of the sea wall. It is application PA11/03916 and it's status is 'Approved with conditions'. CEG have subsequently put in another application to retain this, therefore, under current planning regulations, this wall can remain, quite legally, until the decision is made on the latest application.



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country: UK  Date: 29 Oct 2013 08:35:36 GMT

Comment: Sorry Mr Duncan, but you're not quite right. The plain fact is that the sea wall was constructed in 2004 without a shred of Planning Consent. A retrospective Application was refused by the Secretary of State in 2006, and we've been seeking Enforcement ever since. It is correct that the Developer was allowed to leave a section of wall in situ until the end of last year and, since then, has used the well-known process of fresh application, then withdraw, then fresh application, ever since. We shall know on 25th.November 2013 whether or not Cornwall Council is prepared to continue this almost ritual dance. The key point is that there has never been any Consent to build the wall. Thanks and regards, Peter for CBW



Name: TESSA BELL Email: 
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Country: UK  Date: 22 Nov 2013 19:49:14 GMT

Comment: Just seen report on this which says your petition has 700 signatures. Surely that's not enough? Can't you circulate an online petition so more people can sign? And get more publicity? I would sign! Cornwall planners are too SLOW - I think they just stink - look how long it took them to get White River place sorted! Why should St Austell's main beach be left so ugly for so long because of greedy developers. They should either build now or go away!


   
Name: martin james Email: martinjames777@btinternet.com
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Country: UK  Date: 8 Dec 2013 18:47:59 GMT

Comment: I will be very surprised if the steelwork gets removed by the Developers, who will plead poverty. It was a good try to get a 'gated' community, it's now (probably) unsaleable (and blighted) Where do we all go from here?



Name: GLENN Email: glennbawden@yahoo.co.uk
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Country: CORNWALL  Date: 30 Dec 2013 18:08:34 GMT

Comment: visted today,very sad to see,we used to go clubbing etc here,great venue,great times ruiened by do gooders no doubt,i mean if there wasn't planning for the new builds etc so what??? instead we get this old wreck,people shoot themselves in the foot getting involved in this just so there voice is heard. I doubt we will ever see this site again complete .Im guessing on why they closed this site but id imagine its because it was too noisey etc for residence. Again shooting themselves in the foot. Surely they would no this before they bought a house here, now we all have to pay for it thanks to the complains and moaning. This site is a fantastic place,other countrys would b discraced to see we have wasted this, pure shame and embarssment to be Cornish. Millendreth a similar thing,what a waste



Name: Lance Dyer Email: lancedyer@sky.com
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Country: CORNWALL  Date: 4 Jan 2014 18:04:17 GMT

Comment: It would have been interesting to have seen some photos of the storms over the past week and what effect they may have had at Carlyon Bay. I wonder if any future prospective purchasers of property there understand the effects of the weather?



Name: John Edwards Email: 
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Country: CORNWALL  Date: 12 Jan 2014 16:54:09 GMT

Comment: Glenn's comments (30 Dec) are not only semi-illiterate but quite offensive to those who object to over-development on this beach. The Coliseum wasn't 'ruiened by do gooders' or because 'it was too noisey etc for residence' but by competition from new venues. In fact many locals used the Coliseum. People didn't get 'involved just so there voice is heard'- there are sound reasons for objecting. Please engage brain before commenting.



Name: pauline smith Email: paulinesmith96@yahoo.co.uk
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Country: UK  Date: 6 Feb 2014 14:06:22 GMT

Comment: we have not visited this beach in quiet a few years as we were holiday makers from nottinghamshire.our kids spent hours on this beach as did we ,may i add lovely hours with a wimpy burguer. the last time we did try to visit the beach was in 2010 were to our disgust the road came to a sudden end .the people who are causeing this total distruction should be ashamed of themselves but guess it comes down to greed.hope you win your fight fingers toes all crossed for you many good lucks



Name: Clive horsley Email: Clivehorsley@yahoo.com
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Country: UK  Date: 19 Feb 2014 09:28:00 GMT

Comment: After having lived in Par for 3 years I remember Crinnis as it used to be.... Breathtaking! Once again the"establishment" are calling the shots. the phrase "money walks, money talks " springs to mind. Why don't you vote your councilors that are dragging their feet OUT. Good Luck Clive



Name: kevin Email: 
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Country: DEVON  Date: 25 May 2014 18:11:30 GMT

Comment: I have enjoyed the area since I was a boy back in the sixty's and I am saddened to see that the area looks like a bomb has hit it. I would love to see this area built on as soon as so that people can once again enjoy the beauty of this great location. Also of note there will be jobs created in the area again which will boost the local trade. This has been a commercial area for many years and there is plenty of coast line for walking and peaceful relaxing study of nature on the Cornish front. I don't think we should be trying to stop development but rather work to make sure it is done correctly.



Name: Malcolm Geary Email: 
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Country: UK  Date: 31 May 2014 20:24:42 GMT

Comment: What a confused comment from Kevin of Devon. The bomb that hit the beach was let off by the developers. It's their mess - they should be tidying it up. Most living near this eyesore would love it to be developed - at least on the part which originally had buildings on it. No-one is trying to stop development - after all the owners have planning permission. It's the owners themselves who've stopped development because they can't raise the money in - as they say - 'the current economic climate'.



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Country:   Date: 14 Jul 2014 00:12:04 GMT

Comment: Ah! The unremitting joys of unbridled capitalism



Name: Roland Alfonso Email: 
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Country:   Date: 4 Aug 2014 05:20:24 GMT

Comment: Here is a link to a satellite photo of Carlyon beach. If you zoom out, you'll see that it is the biggest beach on the south coast of Cornwall. If you zoom in, you'll see how messed up it is. http://tinyurl.com/mwwff3j I disagree with CBW in that I see the best option as complete removal of the junk and a return to empty beach: no development. I'm probably outvoted on that, but my second best option is constructing some low-impact facilities on the area built on up to 1990, and no cars.



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country:   Date: 5 Aug 2014 12:47:55 GMT

Comment: Thanks, Roland, for your welcome comment. It would be easy to find a large number of people who agree with you, but the reality is that the Developer has got Outline Consent, and we are trying to make the best of that reality. Your helpful steer to the Google site http://tinyurl.com/mwwff3j although out of date does show that CBW has had some success in its insistence that most of the kilometre of wall has been removed. We have now got enforcement on the last bit. Thanks again for your note, and regards, Peter for CBW.



Name: June Email: junebertram@yahoo.co.uk
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Country: U.K  Date: 17 Dec 2014 09:29:56 GMT

Comment: I am resident in St Austell and am outraged by the idea that the developer is seeking loans from cornwall council.The size of this development is out of proportion, the infrastructure is not in place and I do not think it will help St Austell much as too many holiday homes are being built here when we need affordable homes.The Spanish Costas have been a big failure and we need to learn from this and understand that cornwall is best as a natural coastal enviroment.The future is for eco tourism not the costas.



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country: CORNWALL !!  Date: 17 Dec 2014 15:12:44 GMT

Comment: Thankyou June for your comments, which reflect much of our message over the last ten years. Interestingly, our very first campaign slogan was “Say NO to Costa Del Carlyon”. We have already made strong representations about the proposed use of any tax-payer money, and will continue to closely monitor the position. Meanwhile, Cornwall Council is also being pressed for action regarding the dereliction and decay of the last ten years to be cleaned up. Thanks again, and regards, Peter, for Carlyonbaywatch.



Name: tracy gourlay Email: mrstgourlay@yahoo.co.uk
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Country: UK  Date: 26 Jun 2015 22:02:47 GMT

Comment: Was upset to be told on Thursday 26th june dogs now banned in summer.We visit caravan in par regularly and upset to learn our walk no longer on .Especially now we cant take advantage of new resturants as had dog with us.Surely beach is big enough to share other beaches manage like newquay and Woolacombe. Any hope beach was dead didnt see more than 1 or 2 people .



Name: Peter Email: whealnorthey@btinternet.com
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Country:   Date: 28 Jun 2015 13:13:01 GMT

Comment: We are sorry to read of your problem, Tracy, but you can still take your dog along the Public Right of Way. There are about twenty metres or so at the end of the PRoW over which the land-owner has control but some people have carried their dogs over that bit to reach the Median High Water Mark, often this is marked by a line of seaweed deposited by the high tide. Once you are beyond the MHWM you are on Duchy of Cornwall land, over which we understand that the devloper has no control. However, if you are in the least doubt, you’d best talk to your lawyer and, in any case, you’d still not be able to visit the pop-up businesses on the site with a dog. Sorry again to be the bearer of bad news but we did fight for over ten years for the public benefit. Thanks for your note.


   


                          
 
                                     
                


                          


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Name: Mary Email: 
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Country: UK  Date: 2 May 2016 07:25:20 GMT

Comment: I am not a resident but have visited this beach a couple of times over the past few years and I cant believe this beach is still in a disgusting state, it could be one of the most beautiful locations in cornwall but in its current state I found it eerie and creepy, it was desolate and reminded me of a docks yard, why doesn't someone in government like your local MP take this matter in hand, its not a place I will return to in a hurry and im sure a lot of others would feel the same.



Hello Mary,

I'm afraid there is not very much our local MPs can do - in fact they have usually been supportive of the plans for redevelopment.  The problem is that the owners/developers have planning permission and therefore the beach is officially a development site.  They have in fairness in 2015 and 2016 tried to make it a more pleasant experience for people by tidying it up and removing the derelict buildings - and were pressed for years to do so by our local councillors. 

Julie (for Carlyon Bay Watch)



                         


                                      




                         


                                               




                         


                                                          


Name: Neil Email: nudistincwll@gmail.com
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Country: UK  Date: 16 Jul 2016 07:26:00 GMT

Comment: Hi Just wondering are you still able to use the beach as a nudist, coz not much down this way anymore I'm from Penzance and only one down this end. Please can someone let me know if you can still use it.


Hello Neil,

I'm afraid the beach owners and developers, CEG, no longer allow Polgaver to be used as a nudist beach.  They have security guards who move people on.

Julie (for Carlyon Bay Watch)



                          


                                                          


Name: taunton-hobbit Email: wilfthewraith@btinternet.com
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Country: UK  Date: 24 Aug 2016 19:07:26 GMT

Comment: Glaringly obvious that 'they' wanted a gated resort here - the new duties on second homes have put everything out of gear. I've watched this for about 20 plus years - if there's a start to 'proper' construction in the next twenty, I shall be amazed.



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